In a free country with civil rights being a concern, one individuals rights stop where another’s begin. No one has any right to endanger anyone else as long-term health or very life. Vaccine mandates should be the purview of a conscious and thoughtful federal government.
The pharma industry in unscrupulous and immoral. I dislike the hypocrisy pretending to care about the curing ppls suffering while extracting every penny they have. What good is being alive when you starve to death paying for a cure ?
Your question could also be aimed at our society in general, is it not extremely unproductive to keep going down this route which only has benefits for eugenicists & criminal shareholders of Pharma Inc?
Get rid of them completely and as a society we'd be better off.
Freedom fighter huh. Freedom does not include blind ignorance causing ppls deaths and suffering. There is an old pollical saying "lets see where the crowd is going and I'm get in front to lead them there." That's until something goes very wrong and then they blame the crowd. Despite the incompetence of freedom-fighters (like Hamas, Taliban and the Islamic state) and politicians, they cannot use that excuse any longer.
ISIS is widely considered to be a US invention these days. Hamas fighters are fighting for their freedom which does not mean that their leadership is. The Taliban are fuckwits.
I can blame them and do. I can't tell you why. For the most part they should all be exterminated.
And for the west, the ones to blame are the brits, Churchill to be more specific. This time around it's Putin. He incited the Iranians to attack US interests to divert Ukraine munitions to Israel. This is the same tactic Churchill used in WW1 inciting the arabs to overthrow and break away from the collapsing Ottomans. He promised them the right from self-determination, but never had the intention to keep his word. It was a ploy to snatch control of the Suez Canal using India's Army. After taking control of the canal, they imported arabs from surrounding countries for low cost labor and settled them in them in the area west bank, Gaza, Jordan, Israel, and Egypt's North Sinai Governorate which was then called the British Mandate for Palestine. So, most of the so called Palestinians are imported workers from other parts of the British Empire ie British Mandate for Mesopotamia (now Iraq) as well as Lebanon. In other words most ppl in gaza are are from other countries in the middle east.
Despite Churchill, there is no reason for mandate to exterminate Israel. There is no reason to abuse children and women for being women. There is no reason for a grown man to take a 9 yo girl as a wife. That is all on 'those' arabs. (not all arabs).
That may be but I also know my history. And Israel is also full of people from all over. And other than Qumran in the desert there's no real tie to the region, unless you're going back to where your ideology was raised.
Regardless both are irrelevant. What is in the future seems either a more powerful Israel or a more powerful Arab world. We need to look at how each may play out and in this self interest comes into the equation.
This is a more complicated issue involving ramifications of the '67 war, mainly displacing 250,000 Gaza and West Bank residents to Jordan and Egypt. The Jordanians, Syrians, and Egyptian didn't want them and were completely unprepared to block entry into those countries. Even today JSE don't want them in their countries. Egypt still has their boarders closed to Gazans fleeing fighting. As a result of this war, Egypt lost the Gaza strip. Today, Gaza belongs to Israel. Syria, Jordan and Iran want Israel to give the land back since and have been making it expensive for Israel to keep both Gaza and the West Bank.
However, you cannot discount events and rhetoric preceding and causing the '67 war which started in before 1900 where Arab and Jewish nationalist fought. This conflict is much older.. It goes back to extremism of 1354 where Jews and Christians did not convert to Islam, they were burned alive in bonfires. Children of non-Muslims were taken from their homes and given to Muslim families for education. 100 years later in Spain, the inquisition started.
This is not a ideological issue, but a social issue in the region. Back to April 1182, the Constantinople Christian Orthodox attacked the Italian merchants and killed men, women, and children of the foreigners. Latin (Italian ppl in hospital beds were murdered and all clergy were beheaded. The head of the pope's legate was dragged through the street on the tail of a dog.
Fast forward for few weeks ago, Shani Louk, a German Jewish woman prisoner of war was publicly gang raped, tortured, beaten, beheaded and her dead, half-naked body was paraded through the streets where Palestinians mutilated her body and spit on.
Jawari interpretation says non-muslim women may be taken as prisoners' and claimed in a concubine and sex slaves. So in the Palestinian viewpoint, taking non-combat women as prisoners as slaves/property is acceptable. If they are raped and murdered by their owners it's also acceptable and celebrated.
Ppls behaviors don't change without strong enforcement and changing the culture. The french stopped cutting off ppls heads, and the brits now only burn ppl in effigy. So, changing social behavior is possible.
I don't know what happened in 1354 but the Crusades were still extant in 1182 albeit Saladin was starting to cause problems. I have studied the Crusades a little but 1182 is not familiar to me. The Oxford dictionary tells me that Western Merchants (I guess Franks) were jealous of the papal merchants.
I can also find similar stories to the above, the taking of women in war and making them your concubines, in the 5th C Greek canon.
As for Shani Louk what happened to her, although I'm not aware of the rape and beheading claims, was unacceptable, parading her unconscious from what I saw through the crowds of young men who were trying to hit her not exactly a good look for the Palestinian side. But nor is shelling apartment buildings with aircraft and tanks a good look for the Israeli side.
I don't believe the claims of bringing civilisation to the Gaza strip, this is about land, maybe the gasfields off the coast of Gaza, maybe the building of a canal. It's about control. And about Netanyahu who seems to have allowed Hamas to set the agenda on when this battle would begin. He is now widely disliked in Israel and deservedly so.
I agree with most the statements, especially about using Africa and India as Petri dishes. I don't agree with statement including:
"First, the studies never showed that HPV vaccines reduce the incidence of cervical cancer.
“Instead, they showed the HPV vaccines reduce the prevalence of cervical intraepithelial neoplasia, a precondition sometimes associated with cervical cancer, associated with HPV-vaccine targeted HPVs."
This is equivalent to saying "gunshot wounds don't show causality in death. Instead, a gunshots wounds show increased prevalence of blood and tissue loss associated with deaths".
WTF ? That is some of the worse double talk I've heard in years. Thank you for posting that article.
If the kids were allergic to peanuts and didn't know it, would the judge order them to eat as many as they could just to see if there was a reaction? Or how about if they were allergic to bees and didn't know it? Would the judge (and the monster "father") order them to sit in the middle of a bee hive just to find out? No one on this earth is the same. Some of us may have sensitivities we have no clue about and only find about them *after* we ingest or have something injected into our bodies. There is *nothing* on this planet that doesn't have a certain amount of risk associated with it. No food, no medicine, no anything is 100% risk free. It should be a crime for any judge to *mandate* that a product of any kind be given to or injected into another human being. Where there is risk there *always* has to be choice. We lived for thousands of years without shots for everything. This madness has to end.
Myself and Pamela have diametrically opposed politics, she's very pro car for example whereas I am a big fan of active and public transport. She's Christian whereas I'm an atheist. But unlike Aaron Hawkins, who supposedly I share my politics with, she was very approachable and friendly during the election campaign. And she was going through this shit during the election as well.
She also knew more about climate change, although she opposes it completely, than the two left wing and woke guys who were harassing her as we left the Opoho part of the campaign. They were literally ignorant on the topic.
von Keisenberg. A 'judge' within this system means she (it) is sworn to the Corporation, trading as NZ Govt, and said Corporation is a subsidiary of the Banking and Actuaries corporations which comprises pharmaceutical corporations.
Yes, the father is acting via anger at his ex, and the kids pay the price.
This is the setup in this feudal/vassal society. always keep We the People at each others throats, rather than at the throats of those who most deserve our ire.
But, 'times they are a changing' and soon these criminals will have to pay the piper.
yes stop all vaccine and let polio, tetanus, measles, rubella decimate children, AGAIN. Why not just return to soothsayers and the clergy for healing. At least with clergy, you can buy you way to heaven by leaving churches all your worldly possessions. BTW, antibiotics can be considered a type of short term vaccine.
How many ppl you want dead and permanently disabled ? Are you trying to compete with the great mass murders in history ?
You've read my other comments, you know all vaccines are imperfect. Every vaccine causes some malady in ppl. From the public health perspective, policy attempts to minimize to damage to the health of the general population. Like it or not, vaccines do help reduce the number of awful, infectious diseases in large urban areas and do save ppl from a lifetime of suffering, disability and painful deaths.
Are their adverse effects from vaccines, definitely yes. Will stopping vaccines increase the the number of terrible diseases greater than not having the vaccine with adverse side effects, again definitely yes.
My issue with the anti-vax platforms is no one offers a viable alterative, or movement that forces funding to directly address how to discover root cause of negative side effects and detect who is susceptible to adverse vaccine side effects.
Just stating the obvious and providing a narrative to dissuade ppl from vaccinating children and themselves without a working alternate is often considered by many "negligent". It will cause ppl to reject vaccines preventing diseases like polio, increase the emotional and financial burden on both families and societies across the globe.
The ones considered mass killers are the ppl that cause deaths with the knowledge there there's a better alternative providing the same or increased benefits. For example creating narratives to convince ppl to abandon vaccines without giving them a better means to prevent acquisition. Destructive anger is not the solution, you have a platform be more creative.
"Will stopping vaccines increase the the number of terrible diseases greater than not having the vaccine with adverse side effects, again definitely yes. "
How? By killing them before diseases caused by hunger take over?
"It will cause ppl to reject vaccines preventing diseases like polio"
Vaccines don't prevent any death and are likely responsible for a range of ills.
"For example creating narratives to convince ppl to abandon vaccines without giving them a better means to prevent acquisition."
Canada and NZ are currently trying to make health supplements illegal. Essentially alternatives to Pharma fascism are small farmers, local food consumption & rejigging the medical establishment. At the same time you have to be wary of States that continue to go down the megapolis route (for example they're trying to remove small farmers in Netherlands to build a bigger megapolis & China is very much a state of large cities). I'd like to see smaller cities as they lead to more democracy but they need to cooperate to be able to resist the fascism of large cities which require top down hierarchical control (hence the idiotic moves currently afoot re cameras every fucking where and such shit ideas as CBDCs which won't ultimately work but seem slated to go ahead anyway).
Some health supplements are either ineffective (snake oil) or will kill you. High profile cases have driven the position closely examine and even outlaw some of these compounds. A sentinel case was Steve Jobs. As we all know, he had pancreatic cancer. He selected an 'alternative medicine" supplement route as a treatment plan. After a year of negative results treating his cancer, he decided to forgo supplements move to traditionally treatment plans. Unfortunately, he waited to long where his cancer was untreatable.
I have a real problem with public health and vaccine programs. Traditional programs made the assumption all ppls are the same and vaccines react the same for everyone in the population. In 2023 the medical profession knows that assumption is false. Despite that knowledge, public health officials still engage in 1950s era policy motifs, one size does not fit all (refer to my comment on ideology and culture)
I also have a problem with anti-vax positions. That motif is also just as ancient as public health policy motifs. "You don't care for a wound and wait until you die from an infection". Vaccines are a way to preserve the health of a village, not a person. Cultural shifts away from community benefit toward individual benefit are at odds. Today few are willing to make sacrifices for their community or even their children, part of the narcissism epidemic. Some ideologies won't even permit ppl to help themselves ie the 30+ anti-vax talking heads that died from covid.
We can look at this as an experiment in ideological natural selection. The susceptible will die, the survivors will live to reproduce. We learned early on it's not a good idea to pet large predatory cats like lions, tigers, leopards. Ppl with ideologies that didn't fear large predatory cats, became extinct.
We can say the same for ppl with an ideology accepting vaccines. The ones that become ill and die are out of the reproduction pool.
CBDCs and others do serve a purpose. For ppl with certain cancers and at end of life, it does help with mitigating pain. For some the process of dying is extremely painful and not pleasant spending weeks gasping for air. Combinations of opioids and cannabinoids make the dying process much easier on the patient and spares the their families extreme trauma. If you've ever personally seen it, you'd have the same opinion.
The other benefit CBDCs brings to the table is pacifying the population without the side-effects found with alcohol. ie stomach cancer, liver/kidney failure, diabetes and associated complications, Wernicke dementia where they often become extremely violent, driving while drunk, violence. If anything should be outlawed it's alcohol. Ppl using cannabinoids just sit around and couldn't be concerned with driving or even moving.
The medical establishment needs rejigging. All medical care and drugs should be made avail\be free of charge to everyone. That's another long discussion.
Albeit I will agree that some supplements are harmful. But the idea that vaccines help the village rather than the individual is completely off target. They harm both.
As we were walking down to the cafe with the dog in tow (or maybe the humans were) I said to my wife, if we don't believe in vaccinations anymore why is this dog here still getting vaxxed. And she said exactly that, that kennels won't take them when you go away if they're not vaxxed.
That the mother wasn't advised about law and so went into court as the legal fiction without rights (the "parent"/person) giving the court authority over her and her property is also a tragic factor in this case.
Allegedly the men using it and some of the users have had success.
What strategy did she use? And was her business/company registered with govt? Yes. As this( to register with) is the giving govt partial control and ownership over said property.
As far as I know she didn't use law and she went in as a person?
The Judge said that he had some sympathy with her arguments but that the law required him to put her in jail which he did.
I'm not sure of her arguments. But if they are to work do they not have the support of the State anyway? Are we to be the new elites? Common law in one system for us and the common law taught at all the law schools for everyone else?
In regards to business it is very difficult, possibly impossible, to do so without registration. You need payment systems, bank accounts, you need to pay employees who have tax file numbers etc etc etc.
And crypto is worse, its demands for personal information (i.e. on the exchanges) is ridiculous.
She didn't do any harm. Not sure that I said that.
2 systems sounds like Common Law (UK, US, NZ, AU, CAN & somewhat restrictively Israel) which runs on precedent and Napoleonic/Roman Law (Europe & elsewhere) which runs on statute. (simplyfying it but roughly it is thus).
As regards the soveriegn way law that you speak of, I'm just suggesting that for it to survive it would need the backing of a State in my eyes. If everyone else is on the common law that we have now then you will have two separate systems one better than the other.
For anybody who doesn't know you'll be doing facial ID regularly. And if for some reason their algorithms don't like you then you'll have to submit your grandmother's maiden name and all her transactions over her lifetime to get back on the exchange maybe several days later (so payments are real quick LOL) or 8 hours later or maybe never.
It's not CBDC vs BTC, it's CBDC vs CBDC v2. All that is happening at the moment is that the crypto coins are fighting for supremacy. As soon as one has it there will only be one.
In a free country with civil rights being a concern, one individuals rights stop where another’s begin. No one has any right to endanger anyone else as long-term health or very life. Vaccine mandates should be the purview of a conscious and thoughtful federal government.
Do you know one of the symptoms of the mumps?
Vaccine mandates are the purview of fascists and fascist governments.
Herr Hudson.
You’re a complete fucking selfish asshole in the moron. Bad look....
As "Hudson" has blocked me and I therefore cannot respond to him (on my own fucking blog https://substack.com/@HAMISH) I have banned him again.
Um....no. Only governments that are concerned about public healthcare
Dying of the phukin mumps......
Vaccinations and orthopedics I really the only two things Western medicine is doing right.
Permaculture farmer are you? Believe in nature for soil and shit vaccines for humans? The two are not compatible.
I guess you must be one of those radical Greens who want to kill everyone so that you can have your climate dystopia.
Or a troll. Pharmboy.
"Hudson" you're unbanned. So chat to your heart's content. I might ban you again though if you go to ad-hominem.
LMFAO Ad hominem is all you do! Dumb POS
Most of the medical and legal complaints in the U.S. about kids not getting jabbed also came from disgruntled parents, typically Dads.
The pharma industry in unscrupulous and immoral. I dislike the hypocrisy pretending to care about the curing ppls suffering while extracting every penny they have. What good is being alive when you starve to death paying for a cure ?
I wondered when we were going to finally agree.
Your question could also be aimed at our society in general, is it not extremely unproductive to keep going down this route which only has benefits for eugenicists & criminal shareholders of Pharma Inc?
Get rid of them completely and as a society we'd be better off.
Freedom fighter huh. Freedom does not include blind ignorance causing ppls deaths and suffering. There is an old pollical saying "lets see where the crowd is going and I'm get in front to lead them there." That's until something goes very wrong and then they blame the crowd. Despite the incompetence of freedom-fighters (like Hamas, Taliban and the Islamic state) and politicians, they cannot use that excuse any longer.
ISIS is widely considered to be a US invention these days. Hamas fighters are fighting for their freedom which does not mean that their leadership is. The Taliban are fuckwits.
But nevertheless you cannot blame them completely. The Soviet Union and the US (and by extension the rest of the "West") also need to share the blame.
I can blame them and do. I can't tell you why. For the most part they should all be exterminated.
And for the west, the ones to blame are the brits, Churchill to be more specific. This time around it's Putin. He incited the Iranians to attack US interests to divert Ukraine munitions to Israel. This is the same tactic Churchill used in WW1 inciting the arabs to overthrow and break away from the collapsing Ottomans. He promised them the right from self-determination, but never had the intention to keep his word. It was a ploy to snatch control of the Suez Canal using India's Army. After taking control of the canal, they imported arabs from surrounding countries for low cost labor and settled them in them in the area west bank, Gaza, Jordan, Israel, and Egypt's North Sinai Governorate which was then called the British Mandate for Palestine. So, most of the so called Palestinians are imported workers from other parts of the British Empire ie British Mandate for Mesopotamia (now Iraq) as well as Lebanon. In other words most ppl in gaza are are from other countries in the middle east.
Despite Churchill, there is no reason for mandate to exterminate Israel. There is no reason to abuse children and women for being women. There is no reason for a grown man to take a 9 yo girl as a wife. That is all on 'those' arabs. (not all arabs).
That may be but I also know my history. And Israel is also full of people from all over. And other than Qumran in the desert there's no real tie to the region, unless you're going back to where your ideology was raised.
Regardless both are irrelevant. What is in the future seems either a more powerful Israel or a more powerful Arab world. We need to look at how each may play out and in this self interest comes into the equation.
This is a more complicated issue involving ramifications of the '67 war, mainly displacing 250,000 Gaza and West Bank residents to Jordan and Egypt. The Jordanians, Syrians, and Egyptian didn't want them and were completely unprepared to block entry into those countries. Even today JSE don't want them in their countries. Egypt still has their boarders closed to Gazans fleeing fighting. As a result of this war, Egypt lost the Gaza strip. Today, Gaza belongs to Israel. Syria, Jordan and Iran want Israel to give the land back since and have been making it expensive for Israel to keep both Gaza and the West Bank.
However, you cannot discount events and rhetoric preceding and causing the '67 war which started in before 1900 where Arab and Jewish nationalist fought. This conflict is much older.. It goes back to extremism of 1354 where Jews and Christians did not convert to Islam, they were burned alive in bonfires. Children of non-Muslims were taken from their homes and given to Muslim families for education. 100 years later in Spain, the inquisition started.
This is not a ideological issue, but a social issue in the region. Back to April 1182, the Constantinople Christian Orthodox attacked the Italian merchants and killed men, women, and children of the foreigners. Latin (Italian ppl in hospital beds were murdered and all clergy were beheaded. The head of the pope's legate was dragged through the street on the tail of a dog.
Fast forward for few weeks ago, Shani Louk, a German Jewish woman prisoner of war was publicly gang raped, tortured, beaten, beheaded and her dead, half-naked body was paraded through the streets where Palestinians mutilated her body and spit on.
Jawari interpretation says non-muslim women may be taken as prisoners' and claimed in a concubine and sex slaves. So in the Palestinian viewpoint, taking non-combat women as prisoners as slaves/property is acceptable. If they are raped and murdered by their owners it's also acceptable and celebrated.
Ppls behaviors don't change without strong enforcement and changing the culture. The french stopped cutting off ppls heads, and the brits now only burn ppl in effigy. So, changing social behavior is possible.
I don't know what happened in 1354 but the Crusades were still extant in 1182 albeit Saladin was starting to cause problems. I have studied the Crusades a little but 1182 is not familiar to me. The Oxford dictionary tells me that Western Merchants (I guess Franks) were jealous of the papal merchants.
I can also find similar stories to the above, the taking of women in war and making them your concubines, in the 5th C Greek canon.
As for Shani Louk what happened to her, although I'm not aware of the rape and beheading claims, was unacceptable, parading her unconscious from what I saw through the crowds of young men who were trying to hit her not exactly a good look for the Palestinian side. But nor is shelling apartment buildings with aircraft and tanks a good look for the Israeli side.
I don't believe the claims of bringing civilisation to the Gaza strip, this is about land, maybe the gasfields off the coast of Gaza, maybe the building of a canal. It's about control. And about Netanyahu who seems to have allowed Hamas to set the agenda on when this battle would begin. He is now widely disliked in Israel and deservedly so.
Also Turkey is threatening to get involved. Only 104 years since Ottoman collapsed.
How we got to this on a vaccine thread.....
I agree with most the statements, especially about using Africa and India as Petri dishes. I don't agree with statement including:
"First, the studies never showed that HPV vaccines reduce the incidence of cervical cancer.
“Instead, they showed the HPV vaccines reduce the prevalence of cervical intraepithelial neoplasia, a precondition sometimes associated with cervical cancer, associated with HPV-vaccine targeted HPVs."
This is equivalent to saying "gunshot wounds don't show causality in death. Instead, a gunshots wounds show increased prevalence of blood and tissue loss associated with deaths".
WTF ? That is some of the worse double talk I've heard in years. Thank you for posting that article.
I assume that you're replying to this;
https://plebeianresistance.substack.com/p/a-shit-decision-on-kids-vaccinations/comment/43292711
I've done quite a bit of investigation of the HPV vaccination and it sucks to high heaven.
If the kids were allergic to peanuts and didn't know it, would the judge order them to eat as many as they could just to see if there was a reaction? Or how about if they were allergic to bees and didn't know it? Would the judge (and the monster "father") order them to sit in the middle of a bee hive just to find out? No one on this earth is the same. Some of us may have sensitivities we have no clue about and only find about them *after* we ingest or have something injected into our bodies. There is *nothing* on this planet that doesn't have a certain amount of risk associated with it. No food, no medicine, no anything is 100% risk free. It should be a crime for any judge to *mandate* that a product of any kind be given to or injected into another human being. Where there is risk there *always* has to be choice. We lived for thousands of years without shots for everything. This madness has to end.
How could the Judge order these vaccines when they are NOT compulsory in NZ?
From a legal point of view, it seems to me, she is ‘way out of line’ here.
The judge’s judgement pleased the man, but legally they are not compulsory.
The wife should have disputed it and taken it higher. Perhaps this would have
been too stressful for her, so she has been forced to submit.
The ex husband would have known this.
If it is Pamela then this is to a higher court as she's already been spat on by the misogynist local Dunedin court.
https://nitter.net/PamelaTaylor000/status/1722366565168124128#m
If any harms come to the kids maybe the father and the judge can be charged with crimes.
Myself and Pamela have diametrically opposed politics, she's very pro car for example whereas I am a big fan of active and public transport. She's Christian whereas I'm an atheist. But unlike Aaron Hawkins, who supposedly I share my politics with, she was very approachable and friendly during the election campaign. And she was going through this shit during the election as well.
She also knew more about climate change, although she opposes it completely, than the two left wing and woke guys who were harassing her as we left the Opoho part of the campaign. They were literally ignorant on the topic.
So, you have found out that you know her. Is this Pamela the one in the in the
Court case?
I don't know.
Also it's pretty obvious from some Twitter interactions that Pamela considers me to be political opposition. That's fine.
von Keisenberg. A 'judge' within this system means she (it) is sworn to the Corporation, trading as NZ Govt, and said Corporation is a subsidiary of the Banking and Actuaries corporations which comprises pharmaceutical corporations.
Yes, the father is acting via anger at his ex, and the kids pay the price.
This is the setup in this feudal/vassal society. always keep We the People at each others throats, rather than at the throats of those who most deserve our ire.
But, 'times they are a changing' and soon these criminals will have to pay the piper.
yes stop all vaccine and let polio, tetanus, measles, rubella decimate children, AGAIN. Why not just return to soothsayers and the clergy for healing. At least with clergy, you can buy you way to heaven by leaving churches all your worldly possessions. BTW, antibiotics can be considered a type of short term vaccine.
How many ppl you want dead and permanently disabled ? Are you trying to compete with the great mass murders in history ?
The vaccine industry is a blatant fraudulent scam. Bill Gates has destroyed millions of children’s life in various parts of the world.
You forget to add the ghost of Hugo Chavez to the conspiracy.
If only it was a conspiracy. Do some research.
A lot of these supposed leftists of the world are (were) anything but it seems.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/gates-gavi-invest-vaccinate-african-girls-hpv/
You have no idea what you are talking about
None of them work in the favour of those taking them. They're just eugenicists potions.
And in regards to competing with the mass murderers of history here's some new names for you;
Netanyahu, Fauci, Trump, Biden, Ardern, Johnson, Trudeau, Andrews, Morrison, Macron, Ferguson, Wiles, Drosten and a few thousand others.
I'd like to see them all hang.
You've read my other comments, you know all vaccines are imperfect. Every vaccine causes some malady in ppl. From the public health perspective, policy attempts to minimize to damage to the health of the general population. Like it or not, vaccines do help reduce the number of awful, infectious diseases in large urban areas and do save ppl from a lifetime of suffering, disability and painful deaths.
Are their adverse effects from vaccines, definitely yes. Will stopping vaccines increase the the number of terrible diseases greater than not having the vaccine with adverse side effects, again definitely yes.
My issue with the anti-vax platforms is no one offers a viable alterative, or movement that forces funding to directly address how to discover root cause of negative side effects and detect who is susceptible to adverse vaccine side effects.
Just stating the obvious and providing a narrative to dissuade ppl from vaccinating children and themselves without a working alternate is often considered by many "negligent". It will cause ppl to reject vaccines preventing diseases like polio, increase the emotional and financial burden on both families and societies across the globe.
The ones considered mass killers are the ppl that cause deaths with the knowledge there there's a better alternative providing the same or increased benefits. For example creating narratives to convince ppl to abandon vaccines without giving them a better means to prevent acquisition. Destructive anger is not the solution, you have a platform be more creative.
"Will stopping vaccines increase the the number of terrible diseases greater than not having the vaccine with adverse side effects, again definitely yes. "
How? By killing them before diseases caused by hunger take over?
"It will cause ppl to reject vaccines preventing diseases like polio"
Vaccines don't prevent any death and are likely responsible for a range of ills.
"For example creating narratives to convince ppl to abandon vaccines without giving them a better means to prevent acquisition."
Canada and NZ are currently trying to make health supplements illegal. Essentially alternatives to Pharma fascism are small farmers, local food consumption & rejigging the medical establishment. At the same time you have to be wary of States that continue to go down the megapolis route (for example they're trying to remove small farmers in Netherlands to build a bigger megapolis & China is very much a state of large cities). I'd like to see smaller cities as they lead to more democracy but they need to cooperate to be able to resist the fascism of large cities which require top down hierarchical control (hence the idiotic moves currently afoot re cameras every fucking where and such shit ideas as CBDCs which won't ultimately work but seem slated to go ahead anyway).
Some health supplements are either ineffective (snake oil) or will kill you. High profile cases have driven the position closely examine and even outlaw some of these compounds. A sentinel case was Steve Jobs. As we all know, he had pancreatic cancer. He selected an 'alternative medicine" supplement route as a treatment plan. After a year of negative results treating his cancer, he decided to forgo supplements move to traditionally treatment plans. Unfortunately, he waited to long where his cancer was untreatable.
I have a real problem with public health and vaccine programs. Traditional programs made the assumption all ppls are the same and vaccines react the same for everyone in the population. In 2023 the medical profession knows that assumption is false. Despite that knowledge, public health officials still engage in 1950s era policy motifs, one size does not fit all (refer to my comment on ideology and culture)
I also have a problem with anti-vax positions. That motif is also just as ancient as public health policy motifs. "You don't care for a wound and wait until you die from an infection". Vaccines are a way to preserve the health of a village, not a person. Cultural shifts away from community benefit toward individual benefit are at odds. Today few are willing to make sacrifices for their community or even their children, part of the narcissism epidemic. Some ideologies won't even permit ppl to help themselves ie the 30+ anti-vax talking heads that died from covid.
We can look at this as an experiment in ideological natural selection. The susceptible will die, the survivors will live to reproduce. We learned early on it's not a good idea to pet large predatory cats like lions, tigers, leopards. Ppl with ideologies that didn't fear large predatory cats, became extinct.
We can say the same for ppl with an ideology accepting vaccines. The ones that become ill and die are out of the reproduction pool.
CBDCs and others do serve a purpose. For ppl with certain cancers and at end of life, it does help with mitigating pain. For some the process of dying is extremely painful and not pleasant spending weeks gasping for air. Combinations of opioids and cannabinoids make the dying process much easier on the patient and spares the their families extreme trauma. If you've ever personally seen it, you'd have the same opinion.
The other benefit CBDCs brings to the table is pacifying the population without the side-effects found with alcohol. ie stomach cancer, liver/kidney failure, diabetes and associated complications, Wernicke dementia where they often become extremely violent, driving while drunk, violence. If anything should be outlawed it's alcohol. Ppl using cannabinoids just sit around and couldn't be concerned with driving or even moving.
The medical establishment needs rejigging. All medical care and drugs should be made avail\be free of charge to everyone. That's another long discussion.
Complete disagreement on all points there. And what does CBDC mean in this context as my understanding is "Central Bank Digital Coins"
Albeit I will agree that some supplements are harmful. But the idea that vaccines help the village rather than the individual is completely off target. They harm both.
Same with dogs.
Have to be home-schooled if not shot up.
As we were walking down to the cafe with the dog in tow (or maybe the humans were) I said to my wife, if we don't believe in vaccinations anymore why is this dog here still getting vaxxed. And she said exactly that, that kennels won't take them when you go away if they're not vaxxed.
Can't be helping their vitality.
Lots of dozy dogs around that don't live to a happy old age.
Don't know if it's all the designer breeding or the "Vax".
Or owners on their phones and not stimulating their dogs/children.
Bloody wacko.
That the mother wasn't advised about law and so went into court as the legal fiction without rights (the "parent"/person) giving the court authority over her and her property is also a tragic factor in this case.
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Other than the woman in Kaikoura who took this strategy to court (and was still jailed) has there been any successful defense along these lines?
Allegedly the men using it and some of the users have had success.
What strategy did she use? And was her business/company registered with govt? Yes. As this( to register with) is the giving govt partial control and ownership over said property.
As far as I know she didn't use law and she went in as a person?
The Judge said that he had some sympathy with her arguments but that the law required him to put her in jail which he did.
I'm not sure of her arguments. But if they are to work do they not have the support of the State anyway? Are we to be the new elites? Common law in one system for us and the common law taught at all the law schools for everyone else?
In regards to business it is very difficult, possibly impossible, to do so without registration. You need payment systems, bank accounts, you need to pay employees who have tax file numbers etc etc etc.
And crypto is worse, its demands for personal information (i.e. on the exchanges) is ridiculous.
Im not following you Richard, what harm/ damages did the woman do?
I was under the impression all she did was sell food and drinks to people.
Law school teaches legalese, the legal system is not about law or justice its a system of Crown control.
There are 2 systems one of law and
one of govt rules and statutes( legal system)
The Sovereign Way teaches the difference
The law still says a remedy is needed when one does harm/damages another property.
I think you misunderstand I am not saying anyone is above the law( as is the case in the legal system for those with connections/money).
She didn't do any harm. Not sure that I said that.
2 systems sounds like Common Law (UK, US, NZ, AU, CAN & somewhat restrictively Israel) which runs on precedent and Napoleonic/Roman Law (Europe & elsewhere) which runs on statute. (simplyfying it but roughly it is thus).
Exactly, she broke no law and committed no crime.
As regards the soveriegn way law that you speak of, I'm just suggesting that for it to survive it would need the backing of a State in my eyes. If everyone else is on the common law that we have now then you will have two separate systems one better than the other.
For anybody who doesn't know you'll be doing facial ID regularly. And if for some reason their algorithms don't like you then you'll have to submit your grandmother's maiden name and all her transactions over her lifetime to get back on the exchange maybe several days later (so payments are real quick LOL) or 8 hours later or maybe never.
It's not CBDC vs BTC, it's CBDC vs CBDC v2. All that is happening at the moment is that the crypto coins are fighting for supremacy. As soon as one has it there will only be one.
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