anyway my theory is simple, germ and terrain are both wrong and both right to some extent.
to say viruses dont exist is to ignore the evidence, read Ken Alibeks biohazard and learn what happened to his colleague who injected his own finger with a virus
Sam Bailey is so gorgeous. And a lot of what she says sounds reasonable. Where terrain theory falls down for me is the contagion part. She has no answer for this, just talks about diet and water, nutrition, etc... But how do these diseases spread if not through some vector like a virus?
And the fact that Sam is so gorgeous makes me suspicious? What is she selling? What are people using her for? 🤔
I don't think there's any real money to be made from advancing Terrain Theory. Certainly not the sort of money that can be controlled by the largest business on the planet (Pharma).
Her husband is pretty good on this too. But the courts of NZ have so far let him and the others in his group down.
But for the terrain theory to be taken seriously, it needs to include a mechanism to explain contagion. I think there is some truth in both theories. Perhaps the answer lies behind door number three.
My vitamin D levels are great. I am healthy. I never get any flu's and catch the odd cold. But I caught covid from a family member. How? Explain that oh guru of the African continent. 😁
Some other stacker referenced this idea to me recently there is no virus. I didn't even argue I just dismissed it out of hand. Is it the power of suggestion that makes people sick? Bad food? Seems like its the fattest that get the sickest.
I would laugh like hell if someone was convinced to be sick and upon walking through the doors of a hospital was given something to make them sick.
I haven’t studied Sam Bailey’s theories and, although I have the book she contributed to, I have been too lazy to read it. However, knowing how we have been lied to over medicine and health over the years (take cholesterol for example) I certainly do not dismiss her ideas out of hand until I have ‘done the work’. I do think that Steve Kirsch is a hero though. He is one of too few voices pushing back on these ‘vaccines’. If one takes the word of Belgium’s Geert Vanden Bossche seriously we are in for an extreme rough ride this Autumn/Winter as many governments push for more and more vaccination causing more and more harm and pushing disease in the wrong direction. This is the really urgent and timely issue here as we are highly unlikely to get governments to query whether viruses exist or not not. It is critical stop the roll out of more of these wretched vaccines before it’s too late.
I'm not a believer in viral immune escape. But if you imagine Geert talking about us, the great unwashed, instead then it's easy to understand what he's saying. My view.
To me Geert is not addressing us. He's addressing the elites. Things will explode he says. The virus will mutate and become stronger he says. And I just think of those riots in Belgium last year.
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I'm in agreement with RFKJ on this. Have not gotten around to reading up on why viruses might not exist, and such study is not my priority.
I did get tired of listening to Sam, but I have heard her before, and she has not convinced me.
I just think that viruses have not been adequately described and maybe they need a new name and clear definition.
I am not ready to criticize Steve. Sage's drooling over Steve is a red flag against Steve I do admit.
I can see that if viruses don't exist it is rather damaging for all those members of the virus church. So virus deniers should expect to make some enemies.
Sam mentions that they do indeed have enemies. And are de-platformed in just about all the mainstream environments. Would be great to have her on substack. Then she and Steve could go head to head. Or her and Sage.
I havn't deleted any. Sometimes I add more context after they've gone out as I did here. The 2nd line was an afterthought. I'd just finished doing the graphic and so was concentrating on Steve/Sage, forgot the other two parts which was do viruses exist and the bit about RFK.
Substack is currently deleting most of Stegiel's posts so they're getting removed from the comments under my posts but I have nothing to do with that, if (unlikely that you are) that's what you were referring to.
I always give a reason for deleting a post btw. But as they actually do disappear from view I tend to delete my reasons as well. I've probably only deleted 5 or so.
Don't expect people to be infallible. All I ask is they are honest and have some sound basis for their views.
So far, I've found Kirsch to be reliable. He is providing a full-time service for free. In fact, he has spent his own money to back up his work and views.
This debate about the existence of a virus is academic and a distraction. It is being used by "them" against us,
Sam actually goes over this in her video. I agree with her and really don't mind if someone wants to do germ theory. But they need to proffer up the evidence and take notice of the opposing arguments. It's not good enough to say 'the science is settled' as quite obviously it is not.
Steve seems to have lied about the likes of Sam Bailey and others being prepared to debate him and his team on germ vs terrain theory as per the video. This is not therefore a service it's propaganda.
Also note the discomfort of RFK in the latter part of that video. I think you'll find that he's of the view that those who say that there are no viruses are correct but for whatever reasons (establishment scared of consequences?) he's continuing to provide very compromised, and unwilling, support for germ theory.
I hate to weigh in here, but if memory serves me correctly, early on in 2020 (possibly) RFK jr. didn't want to weigh in on the debate about viruses because CHD was involved in law suits around the implementation of 5G. He was concerned about clouding the issue at the time.
In the video he seems to be clearly saying he is not qualified to weigh in.
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I can see that too. And maybe it's the 5G piece or not wanting to turn people off who look to CHD as they struggle with 'vaccine' injuries and deaths.
He would be a good ally if he could commit.
It is such an important piece, all this insanity would shift if this piece did. Sayer Ji spoke to it beautifully at one point. Wish I had his quote saved someplace accessible. It was about his fear that the idea of contagion would always be used to fuel power over people.
RFK is just a talking head. Can someone provide me with one concrete example of his org's achievement? Of course, he reaches some people. However, he is doing what plenty of people do for free.
I'm in your camp however it seem the discussed division is not helping in the war.
The first goal (imho) should be getting acknowledgement that vaxines are not only
useless but killing and injuring and making it stop. Nothing short of mass rebellion and protests will help. When the masses wake up they be thirsting after information. It will of little difference to them if virus actually exists
or not. The deadly particle created in a lab
might be a real thing or not. 2017 patented
panacea that is killing and injuring now and long into the future should be the priority goal to exterminate (I know, I know couldn't help myself). We have to make them stop.
And then we can tackle and discuss "deeper" aspects of the terrain vs germ theories.
link wont work for me.
anyway my theory is simple, germ and terrain are both wrong and both right to some extent.
to say viruses dont exist is to ignore the evidence, read Ken Alibeks biohazard and learn what happened to his colleague who injected his own finger with a virus
pdf of the entire book: https://www.nlm.nih.gov/nichsr/esmallpox/biohazard_alibek.pdf
The book looks to be a generation old, Soviet biowarfare vs US biowarfare. I'll have a look at it but I too had the same assumption.
Sam Bailey is so gorgeous. And a lot of what she says sounds reasonable. Where terrain theory falls down for me is the contagion part. She has no answer for this, just talks about diet and water, nutrition, etc... But how do these diseases spread if not through some vector like a virus?
And the fact that Sam is so gorgeous makes me suspicious? What is she selling? What are people using her for? 🤔
I don't think there's any real money to be made from advancing Terrain Theory. Certainly not the sort of money that can be controlled by the largest business on the planet (Pharma).
Her husband is pretty good on this too. But the courts of NZ have so far let him and the others in his group down.
I think the purpose is to confuse and mislead the dissidents in order to distract us from the real issue - the vaccine crime against humanity.
I agree with all of that. But how do these diseases spread? Because they are contagious.
Contagion btw is not a Terrain concept. It's like asking Kary Mullis (if he was alive) to explain which virus causes AIDS if it's not the HIV virus.
But for the terrain theory to be taken seriously, it needs to include a mechanism to explain contagion. I think there is some truth in both theories. Perhaps the answer lies behind door number three.
In that contagion here means - sourced from outside.
Okay, like how then?
My vitamin D levels are great. I am healthy. I never get any flu's and catch the odd cold. But I caught covid from a family member. How? Explain that oh guru of the African continent. 😁
A flu. A gain of function concoction. I caught it. It was flying past through the air and I caught it. A little virus like thingy. 👍
Some other stacker referenced this idea to me recently there is no virus. I didn't even argue I just dismissed it out of hand. Is it the power of suggestion that makes people sick? Bad food? Seems like its the fattest that get the sickest.
I would laugh like hell if someone was convinced to be sick and upon walking through the doors of a hospital was given something to make them sick.
There's another stacker who goes over the HIV virus. And clearly there is none.
https://genkimanquest.substack.com/p/hiv-has-never-been-isolated?s=r
I can get lost in overly descriptive articles but I did pull the idea there are retro viruses in our bodies but are not harmful.
There are viruses. But not viruses the pharma-freak show uses as a marketing tool.
I'll have to think about this further.
Yes I'd like some change of nomenclature.
The pharma-freak show would match.
I guess the change would have to follow their liquidations. (i.e. corporate liquidations).
We are about to find out the real results here soon.
I often modify things with my green lasers.
Compared to me, Cyclops is retarded.
This is stupid typing. Are you an idiot?
Is that your final answer?
I haven’t studied Sam Bailey’s theories and, although I have the book she contributed to, I have been too lazy to read it. However, knowing how we have been lied to over medicine and health over the years (take cholesterol for example) I certainly do not dismiss her ideas out of hand until I have ‘done the work’. I do think that Steve Kirsch is a hero though. He is one of too few voices pushing back on these ‘vaccines’. If one takes the word of Belgium’s Geert Vanden Bossche seriously we are in for an extreme rough ride this Autumn/Winter as many governments push for more and more vaccination causing more and more harm and pushing disease in the wrong direction. This is the really urgent and timely issue here as we are highly unlikely to get governments to query whether viruses exist or not not. It is critical stop the roll out of more of these wretched vaccines before it’s too late.
I'm not a believer in viral immune escape. But if you imagine Geert talking about us, the great unwashed, instead then it's easy to understand what he's saying. My view.
Agree about Eugyppius. He has consistently said that the problem is just bureaucrats' incompetence.
Well I guess that makes it all okay then.
Bad Cat same general idea.
Ok wise guy. Give me your take on everything as briefly as you can. I’m
open to ‘education’.
Complex topic.
I'm kind of keen to take GVB to task as well. Possibly by video.
I'll go and have a look.
To me Geert is not addressing us. He's addressing the elites. Things will explode he says. The virus will mutate and become stronger he says. And I just think of those riots in Belgium last year.
You are scaring off Rich's newcomers Slandermen.
This is an open forum.
Your enlightenment took you a few years.
I think Hilary is not Ms Clinton but that she is open to entertaining the possibility that viruses don't exist.
I can't confirm.
In what way? I have had three, none of which I wanted and none of which I would let anywhere near the back of my nose either btw.
I'm in agreement with RFKJ on this. Have not gotten around to reading up on why viruses might not exist, and such study is not my priority.
I did get tired of listening to Sam, but I have heard her before, and she has not convinced me.
I just think that viruses have not been adequately described and maybe they need a new name and clear definition.
I am not ready to criticize Steve. Sage's drooling over Steve is a red flag against Steve I do admit.
I can see that if viruses don't exist it is rather damaging for all those members of the virus church. So virus deniers should expect to make some enemies.
"Sage's drooling over Steve is a red flag against Steve I do admit."
That is unfair on Steve Kirsch. As I said, he is one of my sources. He is not infallible. So, caveat emptor.
I have always been a fan of Steve's but keeping an open mind as when one gets further into a subject one can outgrow one's earlier teachers.
He was a great entry level wake up for me.
He is not so a much a teacher as an informer or a communicator.
Considering he has no science or technical background, his comprehension of c19 related matters is quite admirable.
No one can have the time or expertise to cover all aspects of their scams.
He is just a well-read and articulate layman.
Just focus on what he says and does. His background is not relevant if he is being honest and informed.
Dr Mike Yeadon was a senior exec with Pfizer!
Really? Can you flick over some links or names?
Sam mentions that they do indeed have enemies. And are de-platformed in just about all the mainstream environments. Would be great to have her on substack. Then she and Steve could go head to head. Or her and Sage.
Who is Julie Beal?
Thanks!
Can't quite remember Julie, name seems familiar but I'm unable to place her right now.
Ah the TV host.
Thank you Slandermen for being so generous in your response to my comment. I know that you could have shredded it. :)
You too.
Slanders, have you moved on from your Amanda?
What is the point of deleting your posts since have been published and sent out?!
I havn't deleted any. Sometimes I add more context after they've gone out as I did here. The 2nd line was an afterthought. I'd just finished doing the graphic and so was concentrating on Steve/Sage, forgot the other two parts which was do viruses exist and the bit about RFK.
Substack is currently deleting most of Stegiel's posts so they're getting removed from the comments under my posts but I have nothing to do with that, if (unlikely that you are) that's what you were referring to.
I always give a reason for deleting a post btw. But as they actually do disappear from view I tend to delete my reasons as well. I've probably only deleted 5 or so.
Caveat emptor.
Don't expect people to be infallible. All I ask is they are honest and have some sound basis for their views.
So far, I've found Kirsch to be reliable. He is providing a full-time service for free. In fact, he has spent his own money to back up his work and views.
This debate about the existence of a virus is academic and a distraction. It is being used by "them" against us,
Sam actually goes over this in her video. I agree with her and really don't mind if someone wants to do germ theory. But they need to proffer up the evidence and take notice of the opposing arguments. It's not good enough to say 'the science is settled' as quite obviously it is not.
In order to have a proper debate, we need two sides together and an informed and unbiased moderator. Like in any court or arbitration.
'the science is settled' - how can something be settled since it does not exist?
Ahem.
Steve seems to have lied about the likes of Sam Bailey and others being prepared to debate him and his team on germ vs terrain theory as per the video. This is not therefore a service it's propaganda.
Yes, that's concerning.
Also note the discomfort of RFK in the latter part of that video. I think you'll find that he's of the view that those who say that there are no viruses are correct but for whatever reasons (establishment scared of consequences?) he's continuing to provide very compromised, and unwilling, support for germ theory.
I hate to weigh in here, but if memory serves me correctly, early on in 2020 (possibly) RFK jr. didn't want to weigh in on the debate about viruses because CHD was involved in law suits around the implementation of 5G. He was concerned about clouding the issue at the time.
In the video he seems to be clearly saying he is not qualified to weigh in.
I get something different from it. In my view he wants to discuss it but feels that he can't. And you're welcome to weigh in anytime Elizabeth.
I can see that too. And maybe it's the 5G piece or not wanting to turn people off who look to CHD as they struggle with 'vaccine' injuries and deaths.
He would be a good ally if he could commit.
It is such an important piece, all this insanity would shift if this piece did. Sayer Ji spoke to it beautifully at one point. Wish I had his quote saved someplace accessible. It was about his fear that the idea of contagion would always be used to fuel power over people.
The more, the better, Elizabeth.
Slanders is active right now.
RFK is just a talking head. Can someone provide me with one concrete example of his org's achievement? Of course, he reaches some people. However, he is doing what plenty of people do for free.
I point to his Fauci book of course Barry, and all the vaccine crimes.
I have not seen RFK with the other brave doctors in rallies. I've not seen pics of him with them; with Dr Paul Alexander, for example. Odd.
I agree.
To me CHD is doing what others are doing for free. It does not produce any original work or analysis that I could see.
I guess RFKJ might be the man to evaluate it all. He will have the resources and staff.
He seems cautious as he has his huge reputation to lose.
I think he's already moved to 'our' camp. Just has problems agreeing to the terms. Deplatforming.
I'm in your camp however it seem the discussed division is not helping in the war.
The first goal (imho) should be getting acknowledgement that vaxines are not only
useless but killing and injuring and making it stop. Nothing short of mass rebellion and protests will help. When the masses wake up they be thirsting after information. It will of little difference to them if virus actually exists
or not. The deadly particle created in a lab
might be a real thing or not. 2017 patented
panacea that is killing and injuring now and long into the future should be the priority goal to exterminate (I know, I know couldn't help myself). We have to make them stop.
And then we can tackle and discuss "deeper" aspects of the terrain vs germ theories.
That's how I feel and I'm in the "no virus has
been isolated" camp.
Just reload. You should be able to see it.
I had the same problem with Stegiel's blog. I would post and it would take 3 minutes or so before I could see it. Is that your problem?
Substack is like a lot of people; slow on the uptake.
What is mens rea has to do with a scientific debate re this terrain thingy?
The science of politics and genocide.
What is mens rea has to do with a scientific debate re this terrain thingy?
Sorry not letting this one fly either. Take the provocative part out and it's fine.
See my new post. If you don't want it there, fine I will take it down.
Some great links. I'm liking what I've read from Beal but have been out tonight so have only read a few hundred words so far.
Becoming noticeable that women are leading the anti-virus side.
You went out and missed all the fun as we had no moderator.
Everyone except the (big list) are anti the virus.
But as Slandermen points out, who is an actual woman. Even the angelic Sam has a man's name.
I thought you were enforcing codes of conduct.
Am I banned yet.
Samantha. Not Samuel. And sex (gender is no longer useful) is very malleable in an online environment. Mostly pretty obvious in real life. Mostly.
Talk to Barry and Rich.
Or mischief maker in chief, Amanda.
Slanders,
Do you agree with Rich on this terrain thingy?
It's more that I agree with Frank. He's been there longer than I have. But I did come to it independently mind you.
Samantha is a babe, Slanders!
Another weird one but quite amusing nevertheless.